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[itzi 1592]

Gerade vom Asialaden

mit gemischtem Salat, Salatsoße (Honig-Senf)

zum Nachtisch nun noch Biocornflakes (gentechnisch verändert oder nicht, naja, mir ziemlich egal, aber das mit den Patenten etc. ist Mist) in Joghurt, bisschen Müsli und

so Affenzuckerzeug

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[mhochzwei 614]

Becher roher Reis, Chilli con carne, Liter Milch.

[lazzzy 63]

Chilli con Carne

ich liebe es!

on Topic:

liege gerade im bett und habe mir meine 500g Magerquark und 180g jogurt mit einer Banane reingehauen. bereit zum schlafen!

[Kolibri-Maki 509]

@itzi
Bist du jetzt Veganer?

Das Argument mit dem Elefanten und dem Gorilla ist das typische das Veganer gerne bringen. Es hat nur überhaupt keine Relevanz.

[itzi 1592]

Nein, ich bin Flexitarier.

Teile mit mir Deine Weisheit, bitte.

[Kaiserludi 9572]

Teile mit mir Deine Weisheit, bitte.

[itzi 1592]

Für den Herrn Ludi:

Gehe nun schlafen und noch etwas Zahnpasta verschlucken.

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[Spartanbreed 1048]

Der krasseste Natural in meinem Fitnesstudio, ist Veganer.

Dass man als Veganer unter irgendeiner Fehlversorgung von Eisen oder sonst was leidet, ist sorry, Bullshit.

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[Kolibri-Maki 509]

Der krasseste Natural in meinem Fitnesstudio, ist Veganer.

Dass man als Veganer unter irgendeiner Fehlversorgung von Eisen oder sonst was leidet, ist sorry, Bullshit.

Eisen vielleicht nicht, aber Vitamin B12 ist das mindeste und das kann schon fatale Folgen haben.

[m1kel 3593]

Alter :D mega nice:

2 Brezeln

3 Weißwürste mit süßem Senf

2 Stück Apfelkuchen mit Sahne

6 Fererro Küsschen

ca. 500ml Milch

Arbeit kann so lecker sein

[Spartanbreed 1048]

Der krasseste Natural in meinem Fitnesstudio, ist Veganer.

Dass man als Veganer unter irgendeiner Fehlversorgung von Eisen oder sonst was leidet, ist sorry, Bullshit.

Eisen vielleicht nicht, aber Vitamin B12 ist das mindeste und das kann schon fatale Folgen haben.

Hausarzt, Spritze, Injektion, Done.

[Alc 1164]

performance schmälernd? vielleicht nicht

aber auf lange Sicht hin gesehen ist es nicht gesund.

Schau die Veganer doch mal an, Karl Ess zum Beispiel, der sieht einfach nur krank aus.

Here’s how stupid shit happens. You go to your doctor for something benign—like acid reflux, or some other condition that’s annoying, but not necessarily life-threatening. You’re here at DangerouslyHardcore.com, so you know what we do—and if you know about us, chances are you know about the Paleo movement and other dietary protocols that claim to stimulate massive fat loss, muscle gain, and good health.

Now, these all include meat and animal fat. Lots of it. Your doctor, however, tells you that the only way to be healthy and cure all your ailments—not just what you’re in his office to treat—is to swear off animal products and become a vegetarian or vegan. Seriously, they say this.

Your doctor may be a member of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. This organization seems to have two absolute criteria for membership: 1) Being vegan, and 2) Pushing a vegan lifestyle on patients regardless of the reasoning behind it. Dr. Joel Fuhrman is an excellent example of this, espousing the power of veganism despite looking for all the world, physically, like a sucked-out human wraith. Take a look. He’s frail, weak, and delicate—an absolute picture of good health.

Dr. Joel Fuhrman, militant vegan: Yeah, that looks healthy…

The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine encourages “higher standards of ethics and effectiveness in research,” but what they mean by this isn’t what you think. It’s not better science they’re after. Rather, it’s poor science, so they can maintain the lie that a vegan lifestyle is healthy and that animal products are the devil. Paraphrasing here, members have said, during television interviews, that they “know the research doesn’t support a vegan lifestyle, per se, but we’re going to keep doing studies until we produce one that proves we’re right.”

This, unfortunately, is the complete opposite of science. The perfect vegetarian meal? I’ll take a prime cut of steak that came from a vegetarian cow, and so should you.

Here are the simple facts:

1) Vegetarian diets cause a deficiency in vitamin B12 levels[1-2]. This doesn’t seem too important until you realize that vitamin B12 deficiency results in a condition called hyperhomocysteinemia[3-7], which is powerfully oxidative. I liken the effect on arterial tissue to running a cheese grater through the inside of your arteries, which readily explains the rise in stroke risk[8-10].

2) Vegans suffer from protein malabsorption and amino acid deficiencies[11-19], some of which can be health-threatening[20]. Ever see an impressive vegetarian bodybuilder? Me neither.

3) Vegetarian diets produce massive imbalances in the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids in the body[3, 21-23]. This constant supply of pro-inflammatory agents may be what ruins the immune system in vegetarians[24-29].

4) Vegetarians have much higher levels of advanced glycation end products[30-31] which are a risk factor for kidney disease and atherosclerosis[31]—not to mention Alzheimer’s disease[32-35]. This may explain why large epidemiological studies picked up evidence of accelerated cognitive decline in vegetarians[36]. This also explains why vegans say the most batshit crazy stuff without even flinching.

5) Name the mineral and vegetarians have a deficiency: zinc, iron, selenium, calcium and iodine[37-46]. This would explain their increased risk of bone fracture[47].

6) Vegetarian diets don’t even protect against any type of cancer[36, 48-54]. It’s a myth. If you maintain healthy body fat levels, you’re just as “protected” from cancer, and health correlates with the amount of muscle mass you have[55-59]. Sick, scrawny Joel Fuhrman is f’ed, and Dr. Oz won’t fare much better.

Those are the glutes of a meat eater.

Now, despite this massive laundry list of ailments, every single one of them can be fixed with the addition of a few lean portions of meat per day[60-70]. That’s it. Even if you want to lower cholesterol levels (which is a whole ‘nother topic), it’s more effective to add lean animal protein to your diet than vegetable proteins[71-74]. Meat cures what ails vegetarians and vegans, not the other way around.

I would love to continue my rant on vegans, but I think the research speaks for itself. In the next article I’ll drop a part II about animal sources of omega-3 fatty acids and why they’re better. Until then, stop messing around with weak-ass food that grows from dirt, and forget the Cuisinart. Grab yourself some food from nature’s ultimate vegetable processing unit: the cow.

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[Spartanbreed 1048]

Karl Ess ist von haus aus hässlich, (guter Body) das hat nix damit zu tun dass er Veganer ist, da sind wir uns ja sicher einig :D

Punkt 1 wurde ja bereits geklärt und Punkt 2 ist ja mal, hoffe ich nicht Ernst gemeint vom Verfasser...

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[Alc 1164]

zwischen krank aussehen und hässlich aussehen ist ein großer Unterschied.

[Kolibri-Maki 509]

Der krasseste Natural in meinem Fitnesstudio, ist Veganer.

Dass man als Veganer unter irgendeiner Fehlversorgung von Eisen oder sonst was leidet, ist sorry, Bullshit.

Eisen vielleicht nicht, aber Vitamin B12 ist das mindeste und das kann schon fatale Folgen haben.

Hausarzt, Spritze, Injektion, Done.

Ich hab mir die Spritzen schon reingedonnert. Hatte davon starke Histaminreaktionen, sehr unschön. Falls du Cyanocbobalamin spritzt, dann hast du noch das unschöne Cyanid dazu.

B12 ist ja auch nur das eine. Als Veganer bekommst du noch zu wenig Vitamin A meist, weil der Körper einfach nicht immer genügend Beta-Carotin umwandeln kann. Vitamin D kannst du komplett vergessen von Pflanzen zu bekommen, das bekommt man dann nur durch die Sonne, deshalb ziehen Hardcore-Veganer auch gerne in wärmere Gebiete. Überhaupt muss dein Körper vieles aus Pflanzen erst aufwändig umwandeln, was sonst die Tiere für uns übernehmen.

Einigen geht es womöglich nicht ganz so schlecht, weil die fehlenden Vitamine in den ganzen Vegan-Junk-Food-Produkten beigemischt werden. Der vegane Hype kam vor unserer industriellen "Wohlstandsgesellschaft" nicht auf.

Als ich für kurze Zeit roh-Veganer war, hatte ich kaum noch Libido und die schlimmsten Halluzinationen meines Lebens (ich sah in der Nacht nach dem aufwachen sogar Nebulak von Pokemon und hatte Schiss vor dem).

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[itzi 1592]

Hat auch schon jemand untersucht, ob fleischfressende Gorillas gesünder leben?

[Kolibri-Maki 509]

"Gorillas trinken nur selten Wasser. Sie stillen ihren Bedarf an Flüssigkeit allein durch das Verzehren großer Mengen pflanzlicher Nahrung - bei erwachsenen Männchen durchschnittlich 25 Kilogramm pro Tag."

Probiers mal aus, wäre witzig

[Infinit 1742]

Könnt ihr die Diskussion nicht in das entsprenchende Thema verlagern? Ich will lesen, was andere gerade essen und nicht Vegan/Vegetarier gegen Omnivoren.

[Alc 1164]

[Infinit 1742]

Das zweite ist Gengar und das dritte ist Alpollo. Amateur.

[lazzzy 63]

den besten dönner von zürich mit ei

bulk 4 ever

[Alc 1164]

Das zweite ist Gengar und das dritte ist Alpollo. Amateur.

wie unfähig bist du bitte?

#1 Nebulak

#2 Gengar

#3 Alpollo

Alle Geisterpokemon

Wenn er schon vor Nebulak Angst hat, dann müssen Gengar und Alpollo ja furcheinfloessend sein

[Mr Kennedy 7]

Dosenfutter:

1 x Thunfisch

1 x Makrele

1 x Kidney-Bohnen

250 g Gemüse (Brokkoli, Karfiol, Karotten)

+ Mozarella

[dopedy 67]

Sry, offtopic.

Aber wie heißten Kaiserludis Online- Fleischhandel?

Später gibts Frischling:P

[Infinit 1742]

Aber wie heißten Kaiserludis Online- Fleischhandel?

gourmetstar.de

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Regenbogenforelle, Weiher -> Angel -> Grill