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[DrButterface 25]

Honestly, I'd pack my things and run, as well, if my girlfriend started arguments this soon into a relationship.

Trust me, it won't get better later on.

This is coming from a 39 year old guy who has almost 20 years in 5 different long term relationships now behind him.

I hope you're well aware of how, with your comment, you just fulfilled every single prejudice against Germans that has been stated before in this thread?

Juni 10, 2014 bearbeitet von DrButterface

[McMayhem 227]

Honestly, I'd pack my things and run, as well, if my girlfriend started arguments this soon into a relationship.

Trust me, it won't get better later on.

This is coming from a 39 year old guy who has almost 20 years in 5 different long term relationships now behind him.

I hope you're well aware of how, with your comment, you just fulfilled every single prejudice against Germans that has been stated before?

Bullshit. This has nothing to do with the cultural background. It is simply rational and intelligent behaviour. You could also label it as "learning from mistakes" which btw is a universally accepted human trait.

Juni 10, 2014 bearbeitet von McMayhem

[DrButterface 25]

Bullshit. This has nothing to do with the cultural background. It is simply rational and intelligent behaviour. You could also label it as "learning from mistakes" which btw is a universally accepted human trait.

You know what's bullshit? Bullshit is believing that everybody has to act the same way as you, only because you have concluded in a certain way.

[Cheez 138]

Honestly, I'd pack my things and run, as well, if my girlfriend started arguments this soon into a relationship.

Trust me, it won't get better later on.

This is coming from a 39 year old guy who has almost 20 years in 5 different long term relationships now behind him.

I hope you're well aware of how, with your comment, you just fulfilled every single prejudice against Germans that has been stated before in this thread?

Well, and you know what, I don't give a shit.

If a girl shows me she is a drama queen, she can go fuck herself.

There are more than enough women around that are better suited to what I want from a relationship...

I don't have a problem with arguments in a relationship, but if a girl starts them out of nothing that early in a LTR, when things should be all nice and shiny, she probably...

1) is not into you that much

2) has an LSE Problem (the TE doesn't sound like that though)

3) likes having arguments. Some girls just love to fight over the tiniest bit of shit. (may come down to cultural differences. )

All of these three, whatever the cause may be for that certain behaviour, doesn't give me what I want from a LTR..

And it always shows later on...

The more you fight early in a relationship, the more you can expect to fight over bullshit like "who left the toilet seat open" after a couple of years.

But then, probably too late, you may realize, you are married and have children with that hag.

After said 20 years in 5 different LTRs (7 years, 2 1/2 years, 2 1/2 years, 5 years, 3 years with child) I think I have some experience on that subject, and I certainly know what I want, and even more, what I don't want from a LTR.

And if that boils down to some "typical german men behaviour", well, then german men are doing something right..

YMMV...

[all€ 446]

so tell us.. what exactly do you want from a LTR?

[Geschmunzelt 4380]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8MiPDnxo5Nw&feature=kp

Irgendwie muss ich dran denken.

[maccheroni 1335]

try austrians.

austrians are, like, happy germans.

Yes like Hitler and Vater Fritzl... ;P

[Vierviersieben 6012]

Hallo alles.

I hope it is not against the rules that i am writing in English...since my German is not really perfect...

Something is making my mind busy and that's why i just registered here to get some opinion.

I am an intrnational student studying and working in Germany since 2 years ago. I basically liked to see how German guys are in relationship and so I tried it. Well it has always been easy for me to find guys as mostly they find me very attractive. So I met a couple of guys in this period (all of them really nice people) and they all fell in love with me but we could never stay together after all. It is now getting a bit weird... i like many things in German guys and I really wanted to start a stable relationship with one as far as i am here. I thought in the beginning that language barrier would be a big problem but it was not... they could all speak English or they had enough patience with my German... however i found all of them very weak once it goes to arguments... all relationships include arguments or fights, esp in the beginning as you do not know the other person entirely. But it seems they cannot handel it at all or thy think it is too early to hve an argument... i mean now i am getting a bit disappointed and thinking mybe i should stop dating Germans... which is a shame because i see they are really good in many other stuff. I just wnted to see if the majority are like that or just those that i met!! Like the very recent one was a guy i was dating for about a month... it was going really great and obviously he fell in love with me very fast up to a point that he introduced me to his sister and brother, his parent, all his friends, he was visiting me every day, spending a lot of time with me, and even saying he loves me... but we had a big argument and he could never manage it... up to a point that we stopped seeing each other. I dont want to think i come from another planet but how can a guy just give up so fast and so stupid if he is this much in love? Just because of one argument... i mean sometimes i think i really cannot understand them? Don't Germans have big arguments in the beginning of their relationship? And if they have, can they fix it? Or is it just the girl's responsibility to fix it? I am just a bit confused and would be great if you could share your opinion...

Sorry again that i wrote in English...

"international student"+female+US+string of guys = the red flags are in green.

Any guy (doesn't matter if PU/artifical game or natural game) with at least some other options will simply not take this typical "american hot babe"-drama-shit.

Because, frankly, US-Girls in their prime excel at that.

But that's the catch-22 for HBs: Guys who you are attracted to are (almost always) the guys with options - which is just natural.

You are unfit for a serious LTR or don't really want one yourself. Cue "Exploring the world"-meme. And EVERYBODY in Germany, even the last few AFC-friends that I have...they all know what that means (if they have any contact at all to university, international exchanges etc.). So do you.

Why not just do your thing and stop trying to simulate something you are not really into?

You wouldn't ST-bomb those guys if there really was going on what 90% of the German population understand to be "love" (which is often more serious & deep than what you call "love" in the US and certainly includes far less propensity for "figthing" - at least in the abstract ideal)

Call it what it is: Affection & attraction to a temporary fling, not "love".

You play the game, stop complaining you get burned while advertising your ability to be a shit-test-machine.

But if you play LTR - don't complain that you are confronted with LTR-stuff and held to LTR-Standarts that most guys have (not all of them, this forum will happily accomodate you with the German variant of the "non-judgemental frame" & there are many guys here ofc)

Bold:

This really seems to be a "young american female"-thing...you confuse the capability to do something with the inclination to do so.

Perhaps to save your ego - no offense intended.

The thing is:

If you are male and...

a) hang around in the enviroment where you meet female American "international students" (have to lol every time I read that word, they all seem to want their "european notch(es)")

b) you have at least some game / exp.

c) you can get things going w/ girls

you will feel FAR LESS need to accept the drama-BS & STs & entitlement that a huge mojority of the "international student"-type of US-girls seems to be into.

(Which they can often afford, because most of them are quite attractive, slutty & party-going, so they have many prospects - but cf. "catch-22"...)

_________

austrians are, like, happy germans.

I second that.

But she seems to be going for real Germans /shrug

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Honestly, I'd pack my things and run, as well, if my girlfriend started arguments this soon into a relationship.

Trust me, it won't get better later on.

So true!

But b/c we are very nice guys, we would give them "a good time" and some "international experience" before all of that running.

Juni 12, 2014 bearbeitet von Vierviersieben

[Gast ulbert]

I just recalled this song

[dolly 720]

Ne what speaking we all for a good english...I am very proud in so a forum member to be...............

[OneWayTicket 547]

thema ist doch durch TE wird sich eh nie wieder melden? steigt doch auf deutsch um ^^

[FraSkogen 680]

Don't Germans have big arguments in the beginning of their relationship?

In general: no. On the other hand, you are right, of course, in that people can't know each other in the beginning. So how is this thing usually solved if things turn towards an LTR?

Not with drama, that is sure. Drama-queens turn off guys for LTRs (ONS can be fine - f*ck and leave). There nothing worse than drama-queens, especially in public.

The easy solution is just keeping calm; actually, the initial rose-coloured glasses should accomplish that by themselves. For example, if he does something which is a no-go for you, you won't start an argument, and especially not in the public. You just say "hey, I really dislike that". It's ok. But you don't start getting aggressive unless you told him at least twice not to do $NOGOITEM. And keep with it; you can't label something as a no-go one day and be just fine with it next day, or even worse, get angry because he avoids that thing.

Big arguments.. that is also a question of what is under discussion. If you come up with things like "no sex before marriage", than it just doesn't make any sense to continue. Or if you make a mountain out of a molehill, that screams "drama queen" and isn't attractive for more than one or two lays, certainly not for an LTR.

On the other hand - a guy who introduces you to his family THAT quickly should ring off your alarms, that is not usual here.

Juni 14, 2014 bearbeitet von FraSkogen

[Charlerbreitis 13]

Hi ilovesummer

i totally get what u talking about. Most german men are raised to please the women....

ain´t women happy, ain´t nobody happy

I am myself in the US right now and I really enjoy the cultural difference of american women.

Sadly I have to tell u that there are not that many real men in Germany out there. But if u find one and hes maybe committed to a relationship with u,

I think u will have lots of fun, arguments "drama what u women love so much" and a partner who really cares and provides safety for the long term.

god I hate going back to Germany and have to fight through all the girls to find a woman...

that was easier in the US!

p.s.

maybe u can answer me a question. Is it just me or do actually lose american men their manhood after they get married?

I know so much guys here who always have to ask their wife for permission to go somewhere....

so I say that the difference between single men and men in committed relationships is huge. can u copy that?